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« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2008, 08:35:51 AM » |
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I see the mention of the option to power off after a system update....Is there something else that changed? I saw that a competitor is now broken with 2.4 - http://www.ir2bt.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=185 - I have yet to implement our first one (I'm an integrator...) |
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« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2008, 01:27:18 PM » |
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I see the mention of the option to power off after a system update....Is there something else that changed? I saw that a competitor is now broken with 2.4 - http://www.ir2bt.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=185 - I have yet to implement our first one (I'm an integrator...) ouch that hurts. i bet mike had a smile when he saw that. that's why it made sense to incorporate a firmware updater. now if only it worked properly. we'll get there. |
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« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2008, 02:00:32 PM » |
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I see the mention of the option to power off after a system update....Is there something else that changed? I saw that a competitor is now broken with 2.4 - http://www.ir2bt.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=185 - I have yet to implement our first one (I'm an integrator...) ouch that hurts. i bet mike had a smile when he saw that. that's why it made sense to incorporate a firmware updater. now if only it worked properly. we'll get there. Yeah people over there are unhappy. It's funny, take a look at this post here dated June 9th. We have software issues, sure...with firmware updates. They now have 55$ bricks of plastic that can't be used effectively due to software issues. Inside I'm kind of happy to see them squirm. I went with Mike off the communication and the firmware update feature basis. It's was hard to defend a product that was double in cost. But now with power off macro in box, and still functioning after the latest firmware...I'm all smiles. |
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« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2008, 02:59:44 PM » |
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I actually dont care about the fanboyism between the different products. all that mattered to me was going with my gut on what would be the most sense. even though it cost a little more, I felt it was a good investment to pay extra for the firmware update capability. even mike's watered-down version, which would make the pricing a lot more competitive, was to include that function. That would have been my ideal pick, but I just couldnt wait that long to gain universal control so I decided to just go with the pro. People can bash the device all they want. I'm happy and feel the price paid was justified. If I was Mike I'd probably be upset, but I'm just a consumer.
I feel bad for the guy bruce. he's in a tough spot right now. while companies would try to make customer service right and replace/fix the units, he's such a small operation doing that could possibly wipe out all his earnings on the venture. It still sort of works so a fair compromise could be offering a discount for existing owners on a new and improved unit (assuming he makes one). but then you'll have those that feel they shouldnt have to pay a dime. harsh.
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« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2008, 03:39:33 PM » |
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yes i read also that there were problems with users pairing their controllers as well, so that could be a similar issue the others are facing. hopefully. if not theyre still SOL. either way this glitch exposed the drawbacks of not incorporating firmare update capability.
im still trying to figure out why only that unit fails to correctly pair, when the other products all seem to work seamlessly even after the 2.4 update? does the ps3ir-pro also use the innards of a ps3 remote?
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« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2008, 03:44:18 PM » |
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Does the ps3ir-pro also use the innards of a ps3 remote? It's what I've read somewhere but I'm not 100% sure. |
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« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2008, 04:44:00 PM » |
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Yes, the PRO uses the Sony circuit board. I think only the IR2BT is a totally custom design.
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« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2008, 08:02:50 AM » |
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Yes, the PRO uses the Sony circuit board. I think only the IR2BT is a totally custom design.
Well, that explains it I bet |
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« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2008, 09:51:42 AM » |
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Yes, that's why. But, even after I incorporate my own BT module, I can always adjust the firmware and post an update for everyone if it breaks.
I've been selling into this niche market for about a year and a half so I understand the need for an update capability. That is one of the reasons I'm careful about the keeping the price point so that I can afford to stay in business in the long run. That way I can provide continued support and updates for everyone as Sony changes the PS3. It really is a moving target. Otherwise, without the long term support, Sony will (inadvertently) turn all of these products into a paperweight eventually. Or at least break any advanced features that rely on the organization of Sony XBR elements.
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« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2008, 10:49:44 AM » |
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I've been reading in a couple of forums and a lot of talk is about how Sony somehow has disabled some of these third party device via the PS3 firmware deliberately. While that may be true I really don't see what's in it for Sony. I think that it's just coincidence. In any case that's exactly why I went with the PRO. The upgradeability was worth the extra cost.
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« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2008, 01:05:20 PM » |
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I have said this elsewhere but I'll say it again. I find it very hard to believe that Sony specifically tried to disable the IR2BT. Sony has sold approx 4.3 million PS3s. I would estimate the total number of IR2BT, PS3IR-Pro, PS3Toothfairy and IR4PS3s sold to be somewhere around 6000 (2500 of which are IR2BTs). That means that less than 2% of the people with a PS3 are using these products (less than 1% using an IR2BT). Sony is not going to put the R&D time and money into try ing to disable something with that small of a penetration. These devices are only costing them a few sales of their own bluetooth remote, and I'd be willing to bet that these devices have actually allowed Sony to sell more PS3s than they would have if they didn't exist. So Sony would be forfieting PS3 sales in order to sell more Bluetooth Remotes? I doubt that. I think this was just a side effect of Sony tightening up their Bluetooth code.
Bruce (the designer of the IR2BT) even admitted that his early units did not match the Sony Bluetooth remote programming exactly, but since it still worked he ignored it. He has now changed his programming to match it more closely in order to get his product to work again. His customers are going to have to pay send their IR2BTs to him so he can update them with the new Bluetooth programming and then he will mail them back for free. This has got many of his overseas customers upset because their costs to ship it back to him will be almost as much as them buying a new unit. Some of them have decided to just do that.
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« Reply #14 on: July 11, 2008, 01:56:40 PM » |
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I totally agree. We are not on their radar and they will not be testing to make sure any new version works with our products. Hence the need to have the firmware update capability.
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« Reply #15 on: July 11, 2008, 08:30:03 PM » |
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I'm very glad I went with the PS3IR-PRO compared to IR2BT. I have used PS3 2.40 and now 2.41 firmware and PS3IR-PRO 1.60 firmware and it's working great!
I just wish the PS3 had it's own discrete ON and OFF codes that are not shared with Sony's DVD players.
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« Reply #16 on: July 13, 2008, 09:04:27 PM » |
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I'm very glad I went with the PS3IR-PRO compared to IR2BT. I have used PS3 2.40 and now 2.41 firmware and PS3IR-PRO 1.60 firmware and it's working great!
I just wish the PS3 had it's own discrete ON and OFF codes that are not shared with Sony's DVD players.
I can totally chnage the code set if needed and send out an updated firmware version. But what codes would be good? For remotes that can be programmed via hex codes, it's not really an issue but, for some of the mainstream products, I need to use codes that are already available. |
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« Reply #17 on: July 14, 2008, 08:20:29 AM » |
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Maybe i'm wrong, but i've just had a look at the Toothfairy website. It does list separate codes for on & off: http://www.ps3toothfairy.com/support.phpWould it be a problem to use these for PS3IR-PRO as well? Also, the Power Tracking feature of the Toothfairy device (it only sends commands after it has received a Power ON command) is great imho, and would be a very welcome feature for PS3IR-PRO. See: http://www.ps3toothfairy.com/features.phpI have purchased an IR2BT in the passed, but am on the fence about rebuying or buying your IR-PRO solution. Adding discrete on\off and PowerTracking would totally win me over...  Thanks! DenW |
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« Reply #18 on: July 14, 2008, 08:42:00 AM » |
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Sure, that sounds like something I can do in a few days. Most of the time is actually testing. The development goes really quick.
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« Reply #19 on: July 14, 2008, 09:06:48 AM » |
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The PS3 Toothfairy uses the Sony DVD player discreet off command to launch the power off macro from the unit. It uses the PS button for power on. So really it acts pretty much the same as the Pro unit.
I do not know much about the power tracking feature on the Toothfairy yet, but it sounds nice.
I believe I have suggested this to Mike somewhere in these forums before (or maybe on AVSForum), but I'm not sure if he ever saw it. The way I figured he could use the Sony Blu Ray player discreet on command to tell the pro to turn itself on, and turn on the PS3. The Pro would then start translating any other IR command it received. Then he could use the Sony Blu Ray player discreet off command to tell the Pro to launch the PS3 shutdown macro, and then shut the Pro unit itself off. The Pro unit would then ignore any IR command it receives until it sees the discreet on command.
I suggest using Sony's Blu Ray player discreets because they appear to be different from Sony's DVD player discreets. They seems to be a fair amount of people using the PS3 along with a Sony DVD player, but I doubt many people will be using the PS3 next to a Sony Blu Ray player. Here are the Blu Ray Player discreets in Pronto Hex format.
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