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Offline altan

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Understanding discrete power off
« on: December 05, 2009, 09:01:41 AM »
Hi.  I have had the PS3IR for about 2 years.  It has worked well (given the constraints of a USB ir device).  

I see the new 500 model at a nice price.  The features I really want is solid performing power on & off.  

I've read the 500 uses a macro to achieve power off.  Does the official ps3 bluetooth remote work the same way?  Are they equally reliable for power on/off?

Also, is there a good summary of the variable operation somewhere?  Not sure I understand why it's useful to have the device attempt to keep in sync with the power state.

Thanks!

... Altan
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« Last Edit: December 05, 2009, 02:50:41 PM by altan »

Offline rdenghel

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Re: Understanding discrete power off
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2009, 07:12:02 PM »
For a "solid performing" (as in "never gets out of sync") power on & off, I recommend the PS3IR-1000 with the Power Sensing cable. This way the 1000 never gets out of sync with the PS3's power state. Both the 500 and 1000 use a macro to power off the PS3, since you have to navigate through the PS Button menu, then confirm the power off. The official BD Remote does not have a power off, so you have to manually power off the PS3.

If you're not going to power on or off your PS3 manually, then the 500 will not get out of sync with the PS3 power state. The internal variable ensures that the 500 and 1000 will not send two consecutive power commands. If the PS3 is already off, another power off command will actually power it on. Two consecutive power ons will still keep the PS3 on, since the command is a Discrete On, not a Power Toggle.

Romeo Denghel
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Offline altan

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Re: Understanding discrete power off
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2009, 11:36:13 AM »
Thanks. That helps.

Just to clarify.  Since the official PS3 Bluetooth remote does not have discrete power off, your product is using a discrete power off IR code that is unique to your Ps500 product.  The variable power approach only applies to this ps500 discrete power off code.  Is this correct?

Or... The ps3 remote has a power toggle feature and the ps500 applies the variable power feature to this power toggle?

... Altan

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Re: Understanding discrete power off
« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2009, 09:45:52 AM »
The Sony Bluetooth remote does not have any power commands.  If you press any button on the Sony BD remote it will turn the PS3 on.  In order to turn the PS3 off you have to hold down the PS button for about 3 seconds, then use the up and down arrows and X button to answer the questions on screen and shut the PS3 off (Just like you have to do with the game controllers).

With the Schmartz 500, 1000, and old Pro, all you have to program your universal remote to do is send a single PowerOff command to the Schmartz unit.  The Schmartz unit will recognize the command, and then start sending out the various bluetooth commands that are needed to shut down the PS3.  You will no longer have to hold any buttons down, or answer the questions onscreen.
For help setting up your Harmony remote feel free to send me a PM. 

Include your model of remote, inputs settings for your TV, AV Receiver, etc., and any other setup requests.  I will also need your Harmony Login name and password (I recommend changing your password temporarily to 12345).

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Re: Understanding discrete power off
« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2009, 06:05:55 PM »
Thanks.

Is your product supported by Harmony remotes?  How does one teach the Harmony remote your proprietary discrete off IR code?  Does the PS500 have the IR emitter or only the PS1000?

I'm still a little confused about the PS500 power functionality.

[Updated below based on some other forum posts I read.  Updates are in "[]" brackets]

Does the PS500 support a vendor specific discrete power on IR code?

[Yes, per the excel of pronto codes]

Does the PS500 support a vendor specific discrete power off IR code? (the answer to this is yes)

[Verified Yes per the excel of pronto codes]

Does the "variable" power feature only apply to the vendor specific discrete power on IR code (assuming it exists)?

[This question is still outstanding]

I'm trying to figure out how I would program my remote and the use cases for which the PS500 would be effective.

[Looks like Logitech supports this device so the proprietary codes can easily be added.]

... Altan
« Last Edit: December 08, 2009, 06:12:37 PM by altan »

Offline rdenghel

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Re: Understanding discrete power off
« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2009, 09:58:10 AM »
Altan,

I will answer your questions in order:

Yes
We're listed in the Harmony database as a manufacturer under Game Console with DVD
Only the 1000
The variable-based power tracking only applies to the Discrete Off command. If you power off the PS3 by means other than the Discrete Off macro, the variable won't be updated.

Romeo Denghel
Schmartz, Inc.

Offline altan

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Re: Understanding discrete power off
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2009, 06:10:27 PM »
Thanks!  Got what I need...